The False Memory Syndrome Hoax
by Haley Meijer
“The CIA created a front group called The False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) to debunk, ridicule, and defame victims (and their advocates) of Satanic Ritual Abuse, pedophilic sexual abuse, and CIA cult mind control activities. The board members of FMSF reads like a Who’s Who of CIA contractors and ‘consultants’. Incredibly, Peter and Pamela Freyd, executive directors of the FMSF along with FMSF founder, Dr. Ralph Underwager, have fallen from public grace because they, themselves, have been involved in the very abuse that they claim is a result of ‘false’ memory on the part of the child.”- Ken Adachi
The term “False Memory Syndrome” was created in 1992 by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. It has been called “a pseudoscientific syndrome that was developed to defend against claims of child abuse.” The FMSF was created by parents who claimed to be falsely accused of child sexual abuse. The False Memory Syndrome was described as “a widespread social phenomenon where misguided therapists cause patients to invent memories of sexual abuse.” Research has shown that most delayed memories of childhood abuse are true. In general, it has been shown that false allegations of childhood sexual abuse are rare, with some studies showing rates as low as one percent and some studies showing slightly higher rates. It has been found that children tend to understate rather than overstate the extent of any abuse experienced. It has been stated that misinformation on the topic of child sexual abuse is widespread and that the media have contributed to this problem by reporting favorably on unproven and controversial claims like the False Memory Syndrome.
The theory of false memory has been used as a defense in court to try and negate “abusive, criminal behavior” and this defense is fraught with disinformation, smoke screens, and other untruths that are a distortion of what the available science of the psychology of trauma and memory shows.
My Experience With The False Memory Syndrome Foundation
My personal experience with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation was in the year 2000 at a Mormon-run Psychiatric facility in Utah that my parents sent me to against my will. This place was started by a woman who used to live in Washington D.C. and work for the government. It was one in a series of other facilities I was forced to attend wherein I was detained and drugged. I was at this location for 9 months at the age of 15 and missed the second half of my freshman year of highschool as well as the first half of my sophomore year. In Provo, Utah, I lived with a young Mormon staff in a big farm house equipped with psychiatrists on site to feed each adolescent female her daily toxic cocktail of deadly pharmaceuticals. As many other treatment facilities it was a playground for fraudulent science with no legitimate medical basis or scientific evidence for any of the many disorders every young woman was mercilessly labelled with. Each new incomer was a psychiatric cash cow. It should be well known that bipolar and other so-called mental illnesses are very often a cover up for people who have been mind controlled. Case in point.
I have been haunted with often debilitating flashbacks of sexual abuse that arose from a young age. A couple months into the program the staff found my poetry and writings about rape and interrogated me afterwards. Some staff tried to get details out of me that they thought I was withholding. The discovery of my admission that I’d been abused alongside the search for repressed memories triggered a controversy that led to the owners of the facility inviting in a few members of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation on to the premises to set me straight. They arrived on site to talk to us about false memories and how I was most likely just “making it all up.” I was not, and I will detail my involvement in Project Monarch at a later time.
False Allegations of Child Sexual Abuse By Children Are Rare
Personally I don’t know how it would be possible to simply out of nowhere just invent painful memories that permeate every avenue of your being, haunting and stifling your sexual and parental relationships for years, but the False Memory Syndrome works at defending pedophiles world wide, and would prefer it if you thought that it was only “all in your head.” I don’t think you could recreate the intensity of trauma that gets buried in your muscle memory, playing you like a puppet of conditioning and fear, leaving you catatonic and dissociated at the slightest association and trigger unless you had a whole lot of horrific experience to back it up. The personal and work backgrounds of the founders and main members are certainly telling, and leave a lot to be wondered about their motives and manipulations.
About the False Memory Syndrome Foundation
The False Memory Syndrome Foundation was created to deny the existence of cult mind control and child abuse and is staffed with psychiatrists connected to the CIA and their mind control experimentation. The FMSF’s key players are a collection of individuals who dedicated their lives to defending pedophilia and child sex offenders.
The False Memory Hoax – Psychic Dictatorship in the USA By Alex Constantine
The CIA and Pentagon have formed a partnership in the creation of cults. To be sure, the Association of National Security Alumni, a public interest veterans group opposed to clandestine ops, considers it a “primary issue of concern” that the Department of Defense has a “perceived role in satanic cult activities, which qualify in and of themselves as very damaging exercises in mind control.” The smoothing over of the national security state’s cult connections is handled by academic “experts”.
The CIA, in fact, has several designates on the FMSF advisory board. They have in common backgrounds in mind control experimentation. Their very presence on the board, and their peculiar backgrounds, reveal some heavily obscured facts about ritual child abuse.
The Main Individuals Involved in the Creation of The False Memory Syndrome Foundation
- F.M.S.F. EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS: Peter and Pamela Freyd (psychiatrists) - The Freyds were publicly exposed by their own daughter – Jennifer Freyd (professor of psychology) of child abuse and rape.
- F.M.S.F. FOUNDER: Ralph Underwager (psychiatrist) – The world’s foremost authority on false memory, but in the courtroom – is repeatedly exposed as a charlatan. He is a self confessed paedophile who quotes: It is “God’s Will” adults engage in sex with children.
- F.M.S.F. ORIGINAL BOARD MEMBERS: Martin Orn (psychiatrist) – Senior CIA Mind Control Researcher: Experimenting in hypnotic programming, dissolving memory and other mind subduing techniques.
- F.M.S.F. BOARD MEMBER: Dr. Harold Lief (psychiatrist) – CIA Mind Control Researcher. Experimenting in behavioural modification and hypnotic programming.
Main Founders Ralph Underwager and Hollida Wakefield
The two main founders are a husband and wife known as Ralph Underwager and Hollida Wakefield. Ralph was a Lutheran pastor and a virtual icon to the Irish Catholic lobby in Dublin who’s spent his life defending people internationally who have been accused of child molestation. He is the world’s foremost authority on false memory, but in the courtroom he is repeatedly exposed as a charlatan. He was forced to resign from the False Memory Syndrome Foundation in 1993 because of a remark that he made in an interview in an Amsterdam journal for pedophiles in which he remarked that it is “God’s Will” for adults to engage in sex with children. He also told a group of reporters in 1994 that “scientific evidence” has proved 60% of all women molested as children believe the experience was “good for them.” Ralph’s wife Hollida remained on the board when her husband had to resign. The duo publish the journal “Issues in Child Abuse Allegations,” written by and for child abuse skeptics. Defense lawyers for Woody Allen turned to him, he boasts, when Mia Farrow accused her estranged husband of molesting their seven year-old daughter. Excerpt from PAIDIKA, the Amsterdam Pedophile-positive journal:
PAIDIKA: Is choosing paedophilia for you a responsible choice for the individuals?
RALPH UNDERWAGER: Certainly it is responsible. What I have been struck by as I have come to know more about and understand people who choose paedophilia is that they let themselves be too much defined by other people. That is usually an essentially negative definition. Paedophiles spend a lot of time and energy defending their choice. I don’t think that a paedophile needs to do that. Paedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love.
Founding Executive Directors Pamela and Peter Freyd
The two founding executive directors are Pamela and Peter Freyd, yet another husband and wife. Peter was accused of childhood sexual abuse by his daughter Jennifer, who is a professor of psychology at the University of Oregon. He was also sexually abused as a child and later on became a male prostitute in his adolescence. Jennifer recalls, “My parents oscillated between denying these symptoms and feelings… to using knowledge of these same symptoms and feelings to discredit me… My father told various people that I was brain damaged.” Pamela Freyd turned to her own psychiatrist, Dr. Harold Lief, another advisory board member of the FMS Foundation, to diagnose Jennifer. “He explained to me that he did not believe I was abused,” Jennifer recalls. Dr. Lief’s diagnosis was based on his belief that Peter Freyd’s fantasies were strictly “homoerotic.” Of course, his daughter furrows a brow at the assumption that homoerotic fantasies or a heterosexual marriage exclude the possibility of child molestation. “At times I am flabbergasted that my memory is considered ‘false’”, Jennifer says, “and my alcoholic father’s memory is considered rational and sane. I moved to the University of Oregon in 1987, just four years after receiving my Ph.D. to accept a tenured position as associate professor in the psychology department, one of the world’s best psychology departments. In the end, is it precisely because I was abused that I am to be discredited despite my personal and professional success?” Due to the controversy surrounding his sexually abusing his daughter, Peter resigned from The False Memory Syndrome Foundation. Peter’s wife Pamela remained head of the FMSF after his resignation, and stood by her husband’s conclusions that Jennifer was simply imagining her childhood sexual abuse.
Scientific Advisory Board Member Dr. Harold Lief
Dr. Harold Lief is one of the members of the FMSF’s Scientific Advisory Board. He was the personal psychiatrist to the Freyd family who told Jennifer he didn’t believe she was sexually abused from a young age by her father. A former major in the Army medical corps, he was a close colleague of Dr. Martin Orne (the MKULTRA-connected scientist with many connections to different intelligence agencies and mind control research) and consulted him on several studies in hypnotic programming and behavioral modification experiments at the University of Pennsylvania. He was the past president of the Sex Information and Education Council and director of the Centre for Sexuality and Religion. Robert Heath did brain electro implant research for the CIA, putting brain electrodes in human brains for non-therapeutic purposes. He would pour psilocybin, mescaline, LSD and other chemicals to measure its effects on the electrodes. His funding came from the CIA and the military. In one of his papers, he thanks Harold Lief for referring in one of his brain electrode implant research subjects.
Director David Dinges
David Dinges is the director of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. David was a faculty head of the Unit for Experimental Psychiatry at the University of Pennyslvania, together with Dr. Martin Orne (who founded the unit; died in 2000).
Scientific Advisory Board Member Dr. Martin Orne
Dr. Martin Orne, a member of the Scientific Advisory Board of the FMSF, has been at the center of the creation of a Manchurian candidate and has worked with Navy Intelligence, Air Force Intelligence, the Human Ecology Foundation (a major CIA funding front for MKULTRA), as well as the NSA and Army Intelligence. Martin was funded through MKULTRA and held top-secret clearance. He has taken the position, since at least 1984 in public, that MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) is almost always a misdiagnosed artifact. MPD, also known as DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) is the direct effect and purpose of trauma based mind control wherein a person is traumatized to such a degree that their mind splits off into different alter personalities in order to protect the individual from the horrifying event they are experiencing. These alters are then programmed and accessed by handlers who use the alters for different functions, including but not limited to espionage, assassiation, prostitution, pornography, remote viewing and psychic attacks. These different personalities can then be accessed without the main personality having any aware of what is going on. Orne has vociferously debated at the American Psychological Association and published a large discussion and commentary on his views on MPD in the International Journal of Clinical Experimental Hypnosis, of which he was an editor for nearly 30 years. His basic position is that MPD is created by a therapist. Known as a leading expert in hypnosis, Orne was a friend and correspondent with G.H. Estabrooks, also a leading hypnosis expert with ties into military intelligence.
Scientific Advisory Board Member Richard Ofshe
Dr. Colin Ross, who received many FOIA documents pertaining to US government mind control research: “Manchurian Candidate Denial… is done specifically by Richard Ofshe, who is a Scientific Advisory Board member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. In his book, “Making Monsters” where he ridicules me as a CIA conspiracy nut who believes that the CIA has been creating MPD (which in fact is a documented fact)… Margaret Singer publishes with Joly West, and Margaret Singer publishes with Richard Ofshe, who is an expert on coercive mind control and cult persuasion techniques.” Ofshe is sharply at odds with much of the American Psychological Association (APA). He has filed a suit, with Margaret Singer, for $30 million against the APA for engaging in a conspiracy to destroy their reputations and prevent them from testifying in the courtroom. Both Ms. Singer and Richard Ofshe derive a significant part of their income as consultants and expert witnesses on behalf of accused child abusers. Their complaint, filed under federal racketeering laws – tripling any financial damages – claims that members of the APA set out with repeated lies to discredit them and impair their careers. The Association denied the charges. Two courts quickly dismissed the case. The APA released a statement to the press stating that the organization had merely advised members against testifying in court on the subject of brainwashing with “persuasive coercion,” and had in no way conspired to impair the careers of Ofshe, Singer or anyone else. Many in Ofshe’s own profession believe him to be a world-class opportunist. He is a constant in newspaper interviews and on the talk show circuit, where he claims there is “no evidence” to support ritual abuse allegations.
Scientific Advisory Board Member Dr. Elizabeth Loftus
Dr. Elizabeth Loftus was another Scientific Advisory Board member of the FMSF. From the February 11, 1996, Toronto Star: “She is a prolific research psychologist – with no clinical experience and no expertise in child sexual abuse or traumatic memory – who criss crosses the continent as a highly paid witness for the accused. A current Psychology Today profile practically drools with admiration, not least over her cream-colored Mercedes and fancy home. Some observers estimate that, according to her own boasts, Dr. Loftus must have earned between $3 million and $5 million as an expert witness – for hire – she even testified on behalf of mass murderer Ted Bundy.” After 20 years she suddenly quit the American Psychological Association (APA) in January 1996, arguing that the association was moving “far from scientific thinking and more toward therapeutic and professional guild interests.” Later it turned out that in November 1995 two separate ethics complaints had been filled with the APA against Loftus. Jennifer Hoult and Lynn Crook had recovered memories of severe childhood sexual abuse, found corroborating evidence, sued their fathers, and won. Hoult’s father, who was defended by Loftus, appealed the case as far as possible, losing each time. Jennifer was awarded $500,000 in damages. The rule of the APA is that no member is allowed to resign while an ethics complaint is being investigated. Supposedly, Loftus didn’t know about these complaints at the moment she resigned. Interestingly, Jennifer’s father became an active member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation after the trial. Quotes: Elizabeth Loftus, Ph.D
A Brief History of the False Memory Research of Elizabeth Loftus
Scientific Advisory Board Member Michael Persinger
Another member of the Scientific Advisory Board is Michael Persinger. A clinical neurophysicist and professor of neuroscience, whose work over the years has focused on the effects of electromagnetic fields upon biological organisms and human behavior. Persinger has long claimedthat mystical experiences, out-of-the-body excursions and other psychic experiences are linked in some way to excessive bursts of electrical activity in the temporal lobes. He is an adherent to the theory that UFOs are the products of geomagnetic effects released from the Earth’s crust under tectonic strain. Equipped with magnets that beam a low-level magnetic field at the temporal lobe, his “Magic helmet” effects areas of the brain associated with time distortions, and other altered states of consciousness. He is seemingly able to replicate alien abduction and other supernatural phenomena through the use of this helmet. Received $10,000 from the US Navy in 1983 to support his research. Supposedly, under Reagan, Persinger had also been employed by the National Security Agency to develop behavior modifying electromagnetic weapons under project “Sleeping Beauty.” Using time-varying fields of low intensity in the ultra low frequency (ELF) range from one to ten hertz, Persinger was consistently able to make a cage of rats sick. Susan Blackmore, senior lecturer in Psychology at the University of the West of England, described her experience with Persinger’s magnetic mind melding in her article entitled Alien Abduction published in New Scientist in November, 1994: “Persinger applied a silent and invisible force to my brain and created a specific experience for me. He claimed that he was imitating the basic sequences of the processes of memory and perception and that, by varying those sequences, he could control my experience. Could he have done it from a distance? Could it be done on a wider scale? Suddenly prospects of magnetic mind control seem an awful lot worse than the idea of being abducted by imaginary aliens…”
Scientific Advisory Board Member James Randi
James Randi is known as the “most famous skeptic ever.” A luminary of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP), together with Paul Kurz, Ray Hyman (FMSF), Joe Nickell, Philip Klass, and Carl Sagan. CSICOP’s magazine is the Skeptical Inquirer. Has been accused of continually manipulating the rules of his $1,000,000 reward for someone who can “prove” to him paranormal abilities exists. In other cases he has been accused of plainly refusing to investigate a case or simply not to accept what he saw as “paranormal”, only as “unexplained”. Has always been debunking his eternal enemy Uri Geller. February 11, 1996, Toronto Star: “What I had hesitated to mention is that the colorful Randi has been involved in a number of lawsuits. Part of the evidence brought against Randi was a tape of his telephone conversations, of explicit sexual content, with teenage boys. Randi has at different times claimed that the tape was a hoax made by his enemies to blackmail him, that he made the tape himself, and that the police asked him to make it. Whichever version is true, it’s amazing indeed that such a person could be taken seriously as a scientific adviser in an organization dedicated to denying claims of child sexual abuse.” This tape was played during a trial in which Randi was accused by Eldon Byrd, a good friend of Uri and a former Naval Surface Weapons Center researcher, of defamation by claiming he was known pedophile. True or not, during the trial Byrd and his team played a tape on which Randi was speaking to a small boy about sex and how much it would cost. Randi claimed it was all a setup by Byrd and the boys on the tape were prank callers. The judge wasn’t so sure about that, especially because Randi voluntarily called back one of the boys after the latter told him his money was running out. It’s a confusing story, but you wonder what he’s doing at the FMSF.
Scientific Advisory Board Member Margaret Singer
Scientific Advisory Board Member Margaret Singer began to study brainwashing in the 1950s at Walter Reed Institute of Research in Washington, D. C., where she interviewed U.S. soldiers who had been taken prisoner during the Korean War. She came to Berkeley in 1958 and found herself in a prime spot to study the cult scene of the 1960s and 1970s. Was a director of the Cult Awareness Network. Dr. Colin Ross, who received many FOIA documents pertaining to US government mind control research: “Robert Lifton also had Top Secret Clearance from the Air Force to interview these downed American pilots [Manchurian Candidates of a sort, without full amnesia for the previous identity], and there are several other people in the group there, including Margaret Singer, who wrote the book, “Cults in Our Midst” which I talked about as the foundation of the iatrogenic pathway to DID. She had Top Secret Clearance to interview these pilots as well. Margaret Singer publishes with Joly West, and Margaret Singer publishes with Richard Ofshe, who is an expert on coercive mind control and cult persuasion techniques… Who were the expert witnesses called to explain to the jury that Patty Hearst was actually a victim of coercive persuasion, mind control and brainwashing.”
Scientific Advisory Board Member Louis Jolyon West
Scientific Advisory Board member Louis Jolyon West enlisted in the U.S. Army shortly after he had entered University of Wisconsin. In the Army Specialized Training Program he studied at the University of Iowa and the University of Minnesota School of Medicine from which he graduated in 1948. During his internship at the Payne Whitney Psychiatric Clinic he became familiar with Scientology, which he deemed a cult he and soon considered dangerous. He transferred to the U.S. Air Force Medical Corps and five years later was appointed Chief of Psychiatry Service at the Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas. In this position he studied U.S. pilots and veterans after they had experienced torture and brainwashing. He was also Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of California in Los Angeles and director of its Neuropsychiatric Institute. Alleged persons he treated include Charles Manson, Sirhan-Sirhan, and David Koresh. January 7, 1999, Reuters: “After examining [Jack] Ruby, the [alleged] killer of President John F. Kennedy’s [framed and innocent] assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, West concluded Ruby was suffering from ‘major mental illness precipitated by the stress of (his) trial.”’ He was a member of the White House Conference on Civil Rights in 1966. For many years he fought for the abolishment of the death penalty. Dr. Colin Ross, who received many FOIA documents pertaining to US government mind control research: “[West] started off as a Top Secret official for the Air Force who interviewed the American pilots who came back from Korea having been captured and brainwashed by the Communist Chinese. Joly West and Margaret Singer worked for Air Force Intelligence talking to those downed American pilots who were actually DDNOS level Manchurian Candidates. Director the Cult Awareness Network… funded under MKULTRA to study the psychobiology of dissociation. He will probably go down in history as the only person to kill an elephant at Oklahoma City Zoo with LSD… Joly West was the expert witness in the trial for Patty Hearst. Who were the expert witnesses called to explain to the jury that Patty Hearst was actually a victim of coercive persuasion, mind control and brainwashing … Joly West, Margaret Singer, Robert Lifton and Martin Orne. So what did Joly West have to do with Vacaville? Joly West was Head of the UCLA Violence Project which was approved by Ronald Reagan when he was Governor of California, then shut down by public protest. It was spearheaded by a number of people including some people who were very interested in the history of CIA military mind control, and have written books about it. Well the UCLA Violence Project you are going to see in subsequent slides… [Joly was a] CIA and military contractor, and an expert on multiple personality and other things… he actually mentions multiple personality in his CIA proposal. He tried to set up this UCLA violence centre that was going to be funded by Ronald Reagan and Frank Irvine from the Harvard brain electrode implant team that was going to come. One of the things that was going to be done at the UCLA violence project and also at Vaccaville State Prison under a separate administrative structure, but which got shut down by public protest, was that they were going to implant brain electrodes in violent sex offenders…”
Quotes About the False Memory Syndrome Foundation:
“I am continually amazed that the public is still swayed by the CIA connected, False Memory Syndrome Foundation’s propaganda, which explains that therapists instill these memories of horror into their desperate clients and that children with large imaginations are making up these stories. Ask yourself how a child three or four years old could make up these vile stories that are beyond their age-appropriate understanding…and what a coincidence that the accounts match other children’s testimony across the nation. Have the children been secretly uniting, sharing their “large imaginative experiences” across the nation in order for them to all come up with similar accounts? The facts of many preschool court cases, the testimony of the children, and the bungling and misrepresentation from lawyers and judges in case after case has allowed the truth to be squelched.” – Brice Taylor, Thanks for the Memories
“Let me say now, before we get into it further, that the one organization in the United States that has tried to debunk all of this is called the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. They are based in Philadelphia. They say that any recovered memories in therapy, that is any patient who goes into therapy and recovers a memory is a liar or unintentionally lying because their therapist induced it, suggested it, guided it, okay? Now, I talked to these people and at certain levels they are very well meaning of course … that is always the way. I talked to their PR person and I asked when were you born, this organization? She said, “1992″. I said well how extensive is it? And she said, “We have a chapter in every state.” Now for anybody who has ever been an activist or worked in non-profit 501C3 … are you kidding me man? You have a chapter in every state in 3 years? You’re cooking, you are cooking … and in foreign countries they have chapters too. But no foundation money and no government funding … this is like, you know, they are like … walking on water … you know? (audience member: “It took McDonald’s longer …) There we go. That’s the False Memory Syndrome Foundation … (audience member: “individual contributions …”) It is true … now that organization was founded by Pamela Freyd … her daughter accused her husband of abuse as a child … and in the resultant uproar they founded this organization … Frontline on PBS did an entire episode on all of this …… and then received a letter, from I think it was the daughter’s brother who said, that was quite a presentation you put on about the FMSF and my mother … and I just wanted to tell you though that despite your sympathetic treatment of this organization, everything my sister said was absolutely true and they were abusing her from the time she was a little kid.” That’s interesting about the beginning of this organization. Now on the board of this organization we have such luminaries as Louis Joly West … Louis “I never worked for the CIA” Joly West. This guy has been documented to have done all kinds of stuff for the CIA and military on mind control stuff … gave LSD to an elephant, and killed it. Wanted to start the Centre for the Study of Violence at UCLA in the l970′s. We have letters, and this was going to be located in a used, abandoned missile base somewhere out north of LA, and part of the deal was they were going to do psychosurgery on violent offenders which is the selective melting of brain connections to keep people from being violent. And this was touted as being highly medical, very precise. This is right in the ballpark of what I am talking about here when they say “it’s all medical … we have miniaturized and we can take out certain neurons here and there, and everything’s cool.” Some people throw up their hands and say who am I to … I don’t know … maybe they are right … So Louis West, who wanted to start this centre at UCLA, is on the board of FMSF and so is Martin Orne, a Harvard psychiatrist who has done contract work for the CIA in the past. And several other people who have those kinds of connections. They want to debunk this stuff right out of the box … forget it. This is the kind of stuff they want to debunk.” The CIA, Mind Control & Children: A Talk by John Rappoport
Video Link:
False Memory Syndrome Foundation and CIA Cults
False memory syndrome proponents have gone to sick measures to try and ensure that only their point of view is in the public view.
Other Links:
Facts about the hoax of the “false memory syndrome”
False Memory Syndrome Proponents Tactics
Judy Wood and the False Memory Syndrome Foundation
False Memory Syndrome: Child Abuse Wiki
False Memory Syndrome: A False Concept
Scientists in the CIA’s mind control fraternity lead double lives. Many are highly respected, but if the truth were known they would be deafened by the public outcry and drummed out of their respective academic haunts.
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